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Go to College?

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by Jeff on August 9, 2010

A while back, Kevin at Financially poor had an article about the decision on whether or not to go to college.  I’ve been thinking about this since I read The Total Money Makeover about  a week or two ago (yes, it was the first time I read it).  Dave Ramsey make a lot of points in his book, but one that does not get nearly enough press or praise is the one saying people don’t NEED to go to college.   It’s unfortunate that this point gets  little to no press, but I’m not that surprised.

Ever since I was a little kid, all I  heard was “you’re going to college, you’re going to college” and there was to be no questioning the decision.  I can’t really argue with the logic, either.  Both of my parents lives were greatly enhanced by the fact that they went to college, and they wanted the same for me.  Disclaimer: I would like to make it clear that I have no problems with college or attending college, I have a problem with the blind faith that people put into it. That being said, it’s not a cure-all, nor a guaranteed ticket to a better existence.  It can be, but like everything, you need to be careful with it.

Recently in many major news outlets, there have been articles talking to students who have insanely high debt loads because of college.  There is this one from the New York Times talks about a girl who got herself 100k  in the hole from going to college and is continuing to defer her loans (while interest piles up) because she’s in night school.  There’s also this one, also from the Times, about a man who is 400k in student loan debt and aspiring to be a lawyer.  After passing the bar exam, he was denied admission to the New York Bar because of his debt level.  As if this is some sort of competition, there’s this story from the Wall Street Journal about a Doctor in Ohio (who is 41) and owes almost 550k total off of an original debt of 250k.

These sort of debt levels are absurd, and when are parents are saying “you’re going to college, you’re going to college” is this really what they had in mind?  Owing some bank thousands of dollars before you’ve gotten a job?  This is the part of the college decision that I don’t think many people are thinking about.  Are they are taking out loans to give themselves a better future, or are they really sacrificing their future by taking on crushing debt levels?

Many people view student loan debt as “good debt” because it is an investment backed by your potential (in other words, your future earnings).  History and other people tell us that while we may start out at a lower salary, as we continue to advance in our career, our salary will go nowhere but up (sounds like a bubble, doesn’t it?).  Given this seemingly guaranteed future return on this investment, it makes some sense to borrow against it.  Unfortunately, the reality is different.  For some people, a guaranteed salary increase is in the cards (I’m thinking accountants and those lucky enough to get into the federal system) and will make the initial debt load bearable.  For others (I hate to pick on you, theatre/creative writing grads) securing a job is not a given, much less an ever increasing salary, but the same debt load is taken on by each student.

However, there is something fundamentally different about student loan debt than other types of debt.  Student loan debt is very rarely discharged, no matter the circumstances.  In fact, according to the Federal Student Aid Website (here) these are the main reasons that you can qualify for student loan discharge:

Well, that’s nice of them, isn’t it? They are willing to let you off the hook if you’re dead or permanently disabled.  It makes sense, if you think about it.  The is in effect a secured loan, and it’s secured by your ability to work and earn money.  You have to be alive and able to do work and earn an income.  You cant do either of those things if you’re dead.

In my mind, the potential debt level that some take on is not the right thing to do, and could be  stunting the growth of our generation (We won’t know for sure for 10-15 years).  Many live at home (like this kid) and are unable to purchase a home of their own until much later in life than their parents did.  Even at my age (mid twenties), my parents were married with 1 kid and were nearing buying a home of their own (or had already done so).  I’m none of those things, partially because I was in school longer, partially because times have changed, but also partially because my debt level was equal to greater than  my first year’s starting salary!

Is the extremely high (and rising) cost of college worth it?

Would you do something different?

Are the Millenials stunting their growth, or will it not matter because we are transitioning to a more “mobile” society where people wont want to buy homes?

What do you think?  Leave some answers in the comments.

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Do You Wait Well?

What are you waiting for?

by Jeff on August 4, 2010

Personal Finance and Personal Health are similar in a few ways, but one of the most important ways (in my mind) is your patience level, or how well you wait.

While this is true for a lot of things, I’ve come to believe that this is one of the reasons why people don’t change their personal finance situation, or why they try for a month or two then give up: It takes too long. In The Total Money Makeover, Dave Ramsey says that it will take you anywhere from 18-24 months to get rid of all your debt.  That’s a long time.  It may not have taken you near that long to rack it up.  It could have taken you half that time (or less, if you hit a really nasty patch you were unprepared for or you’re a prolific spender) or it could have taken you twice that long, building slowly over the course of 3-5 years.

Looking at the day when I’m finally debt free is still a long way out, but it’s something that I think is worth waiting for.  It will worth it in the end, so I’m waiting for things that I want right right now, or finding ways to do without them all together. The same goes for your health.  You didn’t wake up one morning to find yourself 35 lbs overweight and pathetically out of shape.  It took quite a bit of work to get to that point.  Well, actually, it took the shirking of quite a bit of exercise and eating rather poorly to get to that point.  Now that you’re there, you want out right?  Well, why not just turn on the radio or open a magazine and follow whatever fad diet/lose weight quickly scheme they are promoting?  Oh, you’ve tried that already and it didn’t work? I’m not surprised.  Those things are the weight-loss equivalents of a “get rich quick” scheme.

Getting healthy, just like getting out of debt, is going to take time and effort.  You’re going to need to first change your eating habits.  Once that’s done, hopefully you’ll have more energy to exercise after work instead of watch tv.  So, you’ve decided you still want to do try to get out of debt or lose weight even though I just told you it would take a lot of work?  Good for you.  Here are some tips to help you bide your time.

  1. Realize its going to take time –  One of the most bothersome things (to me, anyway) is working on something that you expect to take 1 hour and it ends up taking 4.  Realize that losing weight and getting financially fit are going to take time.  Be prepared to be in it for the long haul.  Your work wont stop when you are debt free or at a healthy weight, either.  Once you’ve gotten to where you want to be, your work will surely get easier, but keeping that healthy weight and keeping a handle on your finances are really about 1 thing….
  2. Form Good Habits – This is important for long term success in health and finances.  If you’ve got habits now that involve spending gobs of money or are terrible for you, consider replacing them with cheaper or healthier habits.  Going out to an expensive dinner is an expensive habit, and may or may not be healthy.  Going for a run or on a hike with your friends is good, cheap/free exercise that’s also fun.
  3. Know you’re going to slip up – Look, it happens to everyone.  You’re going to buy something you probably could do with out/shouldn’t buy, or you’re going to eat that 3rd cookie.  It’s not a big deal.  It really isnt, the important thing to do when this happens is…
  4. Stop the slip ups – The worst (and probably the easiest) thing you could do in this situation is compound your mistakes.  I did this a LOT.  I’d slip up and buy something that I was pretty sure I shouldn’t have purchased, but did anyway.  Once I did that, I went ahead and did it again, explaining to myself that I already had failed to reach my goal so I may as well just fail completely instead of failing a small amount.  The end result is the same. Here’s the thing: The end result isn’t the same.  If you miss a weight loss (or budget) goal by a pound (or dollar) or two, you’re close  enough that you know you can hit it on target next time.  If you blow it out of the water, you’re more likely to just say hell with it and scrap the whole process.
  5. Enjoy it! – Losing weight/saving money is going to suck if you don’t have fun with it.  Turn it into a game or contest.  Sign up for a team sport where you’ll get a lot of exercise, or go in with your friends/significant other to see who can clip the most relevant coupons and be responsible for the most saving at your local Kroger.   One of you can plan the menu/do the shopping one week, and then you can switch.  See who can spend the least!

Those are just a few tips for what to do when you’re undertaking a task that is going to take some serious time.  What do you do to make long processes like this more fun?

Some Yakezie love for today:

Low Cost Business Ideas at PF Firewall

How to Cut Costs when Starting a Small Business at Narrow Bridge

Lessons that Almost Were at Budgets are the New Black


Creative Commons License photo credit: Monika Thorpe

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How to Cut Wastefulness to Save Money

July 26, 2010

photo credit: alancleaver_2000 This is a guest post from a fellow Yakezie Challenge member Dana Joseph, known around the PF Blogosphere as “Mrs. Not Made of Money.”  She shares money saving tips for a debt free life at her blog, “Not Made of Money.”  She’s given readers 50 Great Homemade Gift Ideas and has tried [...]

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The importance of a warranty

June 21, 2010

I’m sure all you readers remember the multiple posts on my car buying decision a few months ago.  If not, you can read about it here.  Before I took the plunge, I asked a blogger friend for help.  Boy did I get a lot of comments, and if you read my post, you’ll see that [...]

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When To Go It Alone

June 7, 2010

Recently, I got to take a short vacation with family & friends to Beaver Creek, Colorado.  It is a small resort town centered around skiing in the winter, and hiking, river rafting and mountain biking in the summer.  As it is one of my favorite things to do, I went on a 6 or so [...]

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Control

June 4, 2010

Flickr: Artbandito Much of personal finance is about self control, or control in general. Control your environment by keeping yourself away from the temptations of your vices (clothing, dinners out, luxury travel). Control your career trajectory by working hard, keeping your skills current and learning transferable skills. Control your money by telling it where to [...]

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Monthly Review: May 2010

June 1, 2010

May Month Review Well, another month is gone, and it sure seemed to go by fast.  Here’s my recap for the month of May, 2010.   There were quite a few changes from last month, and one was due to the fact that for 3 weeks of May (and 1 of april) I was driving [...]

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Weekly Link Roundup

September 11, 2009

This weekend the link is titled round-up because my beloved wyoming cowbows are going to try to corral and rope the texas longhorns.  The Moutain west has had good luck against the big 12 so far this season, maybe wyoming can keep it up!!! Enjoy the links Financial Sustainability: While the article doesnt specifically mention [...]

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August 09 Budget Review

September 9, 2009

Ahhh….finally.  With the end of august comes the end of summer, the childrens are going back to school, and the weather starts to get a bit cooler.  It’s also the end of the month, which means time to review the progress made in august towards becoming debt free, and re-evaluating (or creating new) goals for [...]

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Friday Links – Rivalry Edition

September 4, 2009

This weekend is the contest between the University of Colorado against the rival Colorado State University.  Important game, and Im excited for it.  Go Buffs! Each week, I post interesting articles on all topics of sustainability that i’ve found across the web. Enjoy. Finances 11 Dumb Ways to Get in Debt – at Financial highway. [...]

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