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The Business of Relationships

by Guest on November 4, 2011

This is a guest post from my dad.  I hope you enjoy it!

After speaking with some co-workers I have decided that I am in a small minority of people who have been at the same bank for 20+ years.  I opened my checking & savings accounts at a new bank that was coming in from a neighboring state.  In fact not long ago this bank informed me that they would have to change my account numbers because I was one of their oldest customers in the state and the computers were being updated and that they were purging all the old account numbers to match the new system.  This got me thinking about long term business relationships and how they have evolved in my financial life.

Not long ago my wife decided to change milk delivery service and I called to cancel our old drop off.  The lady answering the phone seemed genuinely upset that I would drop them.  She indicated that we had been with them over 20 years and she would be sad to see us close our account.  She offered to keep the account open in case I ever needed anything the other service did not provide.  I felt bad so I told her that would be fine, knowing I would never use them and now the milk box sits sadly empty on the front porch.  Although we rarely saw our milk man, we always left Christmas gifts for him and the service was fantastic.

My grown daughter & son recently each bought their first new cars and these were the first vehicles in years that we did not buy from our local dealer and the same salesman sold us 3 cars.  This was unusual for a big city dealership that changes salesman like dirty diapers.  When we bought our last car there he was gone so we still bought a car and then later he called wondering why we did not buy it from him.  He had changed sales areas and we did not know it and felt bad about it when we found out.  We have bought the same brand of cars for the last 15 years anyway.  We stayed with them when people told us that domestic cars were junk and that imports were the only way to go.  We felt like they made a good product and we had had great luck with them.  I even bought stock in the company when it was teetering on brink of bankruptcy to show support for them (Jeff’s note: I almost bought stock in them as well, but after consulting with my dad he told me “dont risk what you cant afford to lose”, so I didnt buy it).  I did not really think too much about making money, but I did sell when they did not take government money and doubled my money.  Of course I could have hung on to it and made 9x killing on the stock.

My wife has had the same hair dresser for 15 years or more, we have had the same VISA card for longer than the company we got it from stayed in business, we have been season ticket holders for the local pro football team since 1967 (handed down by my father in law).

Without ever giving it much thought we had helped provide a living for the people that worked at these companies and helped them survive the ups and downs of the economy.  Even though some of them you never meet, I always felt I had a relationship with them and the company they worked for that was beneficial to both parties.  They provided us with good service and we continued to spend our money with them.  We could have gone to other companies for less money but felt like we should stay with them if the cost was close.

Jeff’s note: I’d have to agree with this – if the people im purchasing a product from have a good product and treat me well, I see no reason to switch, even if the cost is a little more.  I’ll gladly pay a bit extra for service any day of the week.  I’d rather get it from the person/company that I know has it for a reasonable price than try and find something new and jack around with it for 2 weeks. (This is probably where  I get it from)

Readers: Does the business of relationships extend into your financial life as well?  If so, how and with which products?  Are there some products that you’d change at the drop of a hat regardless of your relationship?

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Cash Flow

by Jeff on June 14, 2010

Does your cashflow never end?

Sometimes when I log into mint, My finances seem to be quite odd, and in some cases, teetering on the edge of a far-lower-than-I-want-but-not-quite-zero balance in my checking account.  For the longest time, I was wondering what in the world was happening, because for the last 8 (from October 09 – May 10) or so months, I’ve spent about $9,000 less than I’ve earned.  Despite this, every month I’ve got a point where my checking account is rather low (probably uncomfortably so for people who are quite removed from the college scene and have forgotten what it was like).

Looking at my results at the end of every month didn’t help a bit, either.   They just showed that I had an income higher than an go, but didn’t get into the details I needed to get to.   This needed more data, and being the huge data nerd that I am (I once wrote down what I was doing with every minute of my day in 15 minute blocks to see where I was wasting time) I decided to look at my finances in a different way…Enter pocketsmith.

Pocketsmith is a budgeting too (similar to mint) that has a different take on your budget.  It has a calendar interface that you enter all the stuff you have to pay and all the times  you get paid during the month.  (Unfortunately, I only have the free version, so I can only do 8).  So, you enter all of  your bills and paydays, upload transaction data from your bank account, and you’re good to go.  It forecasts your income and outflow for the next 6 months.  You can also add goals (like saving for a new house or car) and it will estimate how long it will take you to reach them, based on  your current savings rate and forecast calendar.  It’s pretty cool.   Baker at manvsdebt has his pocketsmith widgets displayed on his blog, showing his income and outgo while he was globe-trotting in New Zealand last year.

The bottom line is, pocket smith is pretty cool (side note: there are no affiliate links in this post).  Back on track.

Pocketsmith showed me something I had not yet figured out on my own.  Out of the bills that I pay every month (rent, utilities, car insurance, car payment, student loans (x3), cell phone) all but the utility bills were due within 5 days of each other.  This meant that in 5 days, I was watching almost 33% of my monthly take go out the door.

This was causing me some problems (obviously) so I figured it was time to do something about it.  I was tired of having a low amount of cash for a while.  I decided to move the date of a few of my bills around so it would make it a bit easier on my monthly cash flow and free up some space at times.  The first month of that is this month, and its worked swimmingly so far.

So remember, even though you may be making more than you spend every month, watch your cash flow (I track mine weekly) so you don’t end up with an amount you’re uncomfortable with.  If I had my way, I’d probably have my bills all due on a Wednesday, and try to make the outflow from bills even every week.  So if I had 1200 in monthly bills, I’d want to pay $300 in a week.  Unfortuanately, most of my due dates are not flexible, and this is a pie-in-the-sky scenario for me.

Do you ever have cash flow issues?

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